The Centered Edge · Season 1
Episode 08

Every Fraud Case
Tells a Human Story

Kavilashini Sundra Kanesh Fraud Investigator · Lecturer · Digital Commerce & FinTech Fraud Specialist
She is one of the few young women in Malaysia who chose fraud investigation as a career. Kavilashini Sundra Kanesh has spent her professional life inside the gap between what the system flags and what the human chose to do — and why. This is the inside story of how fraud actually works in Malaysian digital commerce, and what it reveals about human psychology under pressure.
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Direct Answer — What Does This Episode Teach?
Fraud is not primarily an intelligence problem — it is a psychology problem. Every fraudster operates within the same three-part framework: pressure creates motive, opportunity enables action, and justification allows them to live with it afterward. Kavilashini Sundra Kanesh explains how fake demand and fake supply actually work in Malaysian logistics, how investigators detect it using GPS tracking, device linkage, and order profiling, why reactive enforcement does not stop repeat behaviour, and where she is heading next: FinTech and banking fraud.
GuestKavilashini Sundra Kanesh
Firewall ThemeExecution · ASEAN Navigation
PlatformsLinkedIn · YouTube · Facebook
Episode TypeInvestigation · Technology · Human Behaviour
Keywords fraud investigation career Malaysia young professional fraud triangle pressure opportunity justification explained how logistics fraud works Malaysia fake orders digital fraud detection GPS account profiling FinTech banking scam fraud Malaysia emerging
Execution Firewall Digital Commerce Fraud Psychology Risk Management
"Every fraud case tells a human story. The reasons people give for what they did — sometimes it is silly to us, but to them it was a very big thing."
— Kavilashini Sundra Kanesh, The Centered Edge EP08
The Career
Why a Young Malaysian Woman Chose Fraud Investigation — and What She Found Inside
Manju

Kavilashini, you are a fraud investigator — and you are quite young. This is an unusual career choice, particularly for a woman in Malaysia. What was the attraction?

Kavila

I am a very curious person. That is where everything starts for me. The deep interest begins with curiosity — first, it was simply: what happened? And then it developed into something deeper: why are people doing this?

Because there is always a reason. Nobody commits fraud in a vacuum. And when you spend your days reviewing cases, you realise very quickly that each case has a human story behind it. The numbers on the screen, the flagged accounts, the suspicious GPS patterns — they all trace back to a person who made a decision. And understanding why they made that decision is actually the most interesting part of the work.

Manju

And from day one in this work, what was it actually like?

Kavila

Every day, I am reviewing cases. And every single case tells me something different. The reasons people commit fraud — sometimes they seem trivial to us from the outside. But to the person doing it, it was significant. It was something they felt they had to do. That perspective — holding the human side of what looks like a dry data case — is actually what keeps the work meaningful for me.

The Fraud Triangle
Pressure. Opportunity. Justification. The Three-Part Architecture of Every Fraud
Manju

Take us through the fundamentals. You mentioned the fraud triangle — what is it, and why does it matter?

Kavila

The fraud triangle is the foundational model of fraud. Three components — pressure, opportunity, justification. They work together in sequence.

It begins with pressure. The person has a motive — a financial need, a target they want to reach, a problem they cannot solve through legitimate means. That pressure creates the intent. Once the intent exists, they look for opportunity: the gap in the system, the moment where the controls are weak, the way in which they can act without being caught. And then, once the fraud is done, they find justification — a story they tell themselves about why what they did was actually reasonable, or necessary, or not really their fault.

That third part — justification — is psychologically fascinating. Because almost universally, when we confront someone with what they have done, the first response is denial and justification. They will not immediately admit it. They will explain, contextualise, find reasons. And it is only when they understand that the evidence is definitive that the admission comes. But even then, the justification persists alongside the admission: yes, I did it — but here is why.

01 Pressure
The motive — financial need, a target, a problem that feels unsolvable through legitimate means. Creates the intent to act.
02 Opportunity
The gap in the system. The moment where controls are weak and action seems possible without detection.
03 Justification
The story the person tells themselves afterward — and during confrontation — about why what they did was reasonable or necessary.
How Logistics Fraud Actually Works
Fake Demand, Fake Supply — and the System That Catches It
Manju

Walk us through how fake demand and fake supply actually works in a logistics platform. Because I think most people have used these apps but have no idea this is happening.

Kavila

In a logistics platform, the two primary parties are the user — who places the order — and the driver — who fulfils it. Fake demand and fake supply happens when the same person controls both accounts. They use the first account as the user to create a fake order. Then they switch to the driver account and accept that order. The acceptance happens within seconds, which is already a flag — in real usage, order matching takes longer. Then the driver stays static. They do not go to the pickup location. They do not go to the delivery location. After a few minutes, they swipe complete. The system records a fulfilled delivery. Money moves to the driver wallet. The order was entirely fabricated.

And for this, they are willing to commit fraud for amounts that are sometimes less than ten ringgit. That is what surprised me most when I started. The scale of risk — account ban, police report, a criminal record — taken for a gain that is essentially nothing significant.

Manju

Would these people not be smarter about how they do it?

Kavila

This is the key insight — fraud is not primarily about intelligence. It is about psychology. They genuinely believe they will not be caught. They think the system cannot see what they are doing. But we can. Every device has a fingerprint. We can link accounts by the device that was used to log in, by phone number, by bank account number. We can check GPS logs to see whether the driver actually moved to the pickup and drop-off locations. We can review order history going back five or six years and identify patterns — the same user appearing with the same driver repeatedly, orders completed in seconds, static GPS throughout a supposedly active delivery.

The fraud leaves traces everywhere. The fraudster just does not know how many traces are being read.

Manju

And when you detect it, what is the process?

Kavila

The automated system flags the account. Then fraud investigators come in for manual review. We look at three things: the genuineness of the order history, whether there are linkages between the user and driver accounts, and whether the GPS evidence shows the driver actually completed the physical journey. If we find fraud, we assess severity. If it rises to the level of a crime, we lodge a police report. For lesser offences, we partially ban the account first — the driver cannot see or accept orders, but they do not initially know why. They contact support. We then educate them about what was detected. If they acknowledge it and it is a first offence, they may get a second chance. Serious offences get permanent bans.

"Fraud is not primarily an intelligence problem. It is a psychology problem. They think we cannot see — but the traces are everywhere."
— Kavilashini Sundra Kanesh
Reactive vs Proactive
Why Two Days Off Is Not a Deterrent — and What Should Replace It
Manju

You mentioned reactive enforcement as a problem. Explain that for us.

Kavila

Reactive enforcement means the response to detected fraud is: we will silence your account for two days, then you can operate again. And the problem is obvious. Two days off is not a deterrent. For most people committing this kind of fraud, two days is essentially a short holiday. They return after two days and do the same thing. Nothing has changed. The behaviour has not been addressed. The system has not been tightened. The person has not faced real consequence.

The enforcement response needs to be proportionate to severity and — critically — it needs to be proactive rather than reactive. That means tightening the detection systems so fraud is caught earlier, before significant gain has been made. It means applying meaningful consequences for first offences rather than treating them as minor. And it means learning from each detected case to close the gap that made that fraud possible in the first place. Most systems are still too reactive. The investigation catches what the system missed. But the real goal is to make the miss less likely to begin with.

Teaching and What Comes Next
The New Generation, FinTech Fraud, and What Still Drives Her
Manju

You also lecture. What do you see in the current generation of students compared to when you were studying?

Kavila

They are significantly more curious. When I was a student, lecturers talked and we listened. The current generation asks questions — they want to connect what they are learning to what is actually happening in the world. I adapted to that quite quickly. I always relate the theory to current situations, give real examples. And their response is engaged: yes, I saw this happen, and does it relate to this concept? They are sharper. They push you to stay current yourself.

Manju

And where are you taking your investigation career next?

Kavila

FinTech and banking fraud. That is where I want to go next. What drives me is still that fundamental curiosity — why do people do this? In logistics fraud, the answer is usually money, in relatively small amounts. But in FinTech — hacking, scams, digital banking fraud — I want to understand what makes people do this in that context. Some of it is money at larger scale. Some of it, I have learned, is actually about power, or about proving capability. People commit some of these crimes just to show they can. The psychology is different, and that is exactly what pulls me toward it.

Manju

My final question — if you had one wish to make the planet a better place, what would it be?

Kavila

We cannot prevent fraud completely. I know that. But my wish would be to reduce it significantly. Because in every fraud case, there is a gain and there is a loss. One person gets something. Another person — or many people — lose something. And I always feel for the person who is losing. They trusted the system. They trusted that what they paid for would be delivered. And someone took advantage of that trust.

If I could reduce that — reduce the number of people who lose to fraud, reduce the amount that trust is violated every day — that would be what I would wish for. Fewer people losing. Fewer people going through that experience of being cheated.

Manju

Thank you so much, Kavilashini. It has been a real education — and we will have you back for part two when we go into FinTech crime. That is a wrap on Episode Eight of The Centered Edge.

I am Dr. Manju Appathurai. Until next time — stay centered, but keep your edge.

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